CA199901

The Bead Site Chat Archives
January, 1999

beatrice: - annex-d-10.media.mit.edu - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 23:04:56 (EST)
i have just started a storytelling project that uses beads. i'm looking for some good books and resources to learn about
uses and meanings of beads in differnt cultures. any ideas? - thanks b

cindy: - 208.26.160.39 - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 19:26:13 (EST)
anyone here know about gecko bead work

cathy s: - ppp-1025.olypen.com - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 11:35:12 (EST)
I use the very small antique glass beads for a varity of
different things. I would sure like to find some more. they
come from Italy.

korzo: - spider-tj052.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 02:16:47 (EST)
I have chosen to write a paper on beads. It was the medium in art production that i found to be most exciting and un discovered. well now i nedd info on its orgins, development, and uses. know anything?

korzo: - spider-tj052.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 02:13:27 (EST)
does anyone know anything about liza lou?

Della: - gate215.tomatoweb.com - Sunday, January 31, 1999 at 01:31:28 (EST)
Hi Milo, In answer to your question regarding the 'rusty' color in the Moretti turquoise glass. It is caused by oxidation of the copper in the glass. It can sometimes produce a very pretty effect, but not if that isn't what you want. Try using more oxygen if using an oxy/propane torch. If you are using a hot head, work farther out in the flame. Good luck

Aine: - ip203.denver23.co.pub-ip.psi.net - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 22:59:08 (EST)
Pete, Do you know of any museums in Ireland that display beads from the 12th century or earlier? I'm particularly interested in glass beads and would like to take pictures of the beads.

mena: - f-airlock019.esatclear.ie - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 18:15:40 (EST)
anyone want to chat

mena: - f-airlock019.esatclear.ie - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 18:13:57 (EST)
hi mike want to chat

cathy s: - ppp-1028.olypen.com - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 11:51:39 (EST)
i am intrested in meeting other people who use these beads.also i am also intrested in finding more of these wonderful beads. more history on these beads?

nivag: - oberon.ark.com - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 04:58:11 (EST)
hello? can anyone heare me?

Pete (and John): - 202.54.42.47 - Saturday, January 30, 1999 at 03:13:05 (EST)
Hi from Pune (Poona). Cathy: what questions do you have about these beads?
Aine -- I know of replica Viking beads from this period, but of no museum in Ireland that sells them.
Lissa - Keep up the good work.
~ Peace

cathy schumack: - ppp-1001.olypen.com - Friday, January 29, 1999 at 22:10:06 (EST)
i am intrested in talking to someone that knows about the very small antique seed beads size 18 -24

Mike: - 1cust215.tnt2.kcy2.da.uu.net - Friday, January 29, 1999 at 22:02:36 (EST)
hi i know nothing about beads, i just wanted to chat with someone

Aine: - ip174.denver22.co.pub-ip.psi.net - Friday, January 29, 1999 at 21:15:21 (EST)
I will be spending some time this summer in Ireland and wondered if anyone could recommend museums and bead stores where I could find original or replica beads from the 12th century or earlier (Irish)

Lissa: - ip-26-001.phx.primenet.com - Friday, January 29, 1999 at 10:10:34 (EST)
Hi Sarah! The hobby of beads covers alot of very interesting territory. Perhaps you could be a little more specific...are you interested in making beads? Collecting them? Stringing them into jewelry and art? Weaving the little seed beads? If you can, there are several magazines that can help--Bead and Button is my favorite, and there is also Jewelry Craft, BeadWork, and Lapidary JOurnal. On the net, try http://beadwork.miningco.com/ , and http://www.mcs.net/~simone/beadnet.html . That should point you in some great directions. If you have some more questions, feel free to ask here.

SL: - ip215.wpic.com - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 21:46:00 (EST)
am interested in learningall about bead craft

sarah long: - ip215.wpic.com - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 21:44:51 (EST)
am interested in learning about the hobby of beads

sarah long: - ip215.wpic.com - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 21:44:46 (EST)
am interested in learning about the hobby of beads

sarah long: - ip215.wpic.com - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 21:43:17 (EST)
am interested in learning about the hobby of beads

sarah long: - ip215.wpic.com - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 21:43:13 (EST)
am interested in learning about the hobby of beads

Pete: - 202.54.42.154 - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 09:39:08 (EST)
Hi, everyone. I have made it to Pune (Poona), India. Still not in cybertouch yet.
Hi from John Anthony on his first Web trip.
~ Peace

Milo: - 203.4.79.11 - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 00:08:03 (EST)
Hi all, I have a problem withMoretti torquoise glass rod, what is the cause of it turning a rusty colour when I make beads with it. Is it a case of oxidation or is it too much or too little heat? As an example I made a clear bead and put torquoise eyes on it. Some of the eyes came out tourquoise and some a rusty colour.

Ashley - What size vendor cart? Why not get one of those cases that they deliver cars or motor bikes from overseas, or some container used for shipping - they are usually wooden - you could let your flower power go wild, put some wheels on it and away you go - or convert it onto a small trailer, put in some drop down hinges gives you a table to show your wares and shelving inside. Oh! we Australians are inventive.

Aine: - ip235.denver24.co.pub-ip.psi.net - Thursday, January 28, 1999 at 00:01:47 (EST)
I will be spending some time this summer in Ireland and wondered if anyone could recommend museums and bead stores where I could find original or replica beads from the 12th century or earlier (Irish)

ashley: - pool005-max5.mpop2-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net - Sunday, January 24, 1999 at 19:27:19 (EST)
Looking to buy an inexpensive vendor cart. Any suggestions?

Lissa: - ip-26-002.phx.primenet.com - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 23:56:12 (EST)
Beadflower: What kind of flowers did you have in mind? The daisy chain type? Or more complicated? Check the Oct '98 issue of Bead and Button for directions for a seed bead necklace of flowers and leaves--very elegant looking. The Summer '98 issue of Beadwork magazine also had a similar necklace, but it was all flowers and no leaves. Both were based off of 18th century Russian beadwork.

beadflower: - p51-m2-ro5.dialup.xtra.co.nz - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 19:08:48 (EST)
someone help us please

beadflower: - p51-m2-ro5.dialup.xtra.co.nz - Friday, January 22, 1999 at 19:06:58 (EST)
we are lokking to find diagrams and instructions on how to make flowers out of beads for a necklace. can you please help us???

Pete: - whale.slt.lk - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 08:58:52 (EST)
Hi everybody. I am in Sri Lanka and have just had an interesting several days around the island. Details later. Lots of beads, of course.
Jeff - Click on Books on the homepage. Try our own or others you can seek through there.
More later.
~ Peace

Uta: - x2modem178.digisys.net - Tuesday, January 19, 1999 at 18:11:34 (EST)
oh my I forgot to leave my address regarding the Christmas tree pattern. Please contact me at ImkaldUta@webtv.net
A great big thank you to you in advance:)

Uta: - x2modem178.digisys.net - Tuesday, January 19, 1999 at 18:08:02 (EST)
Hello everyone. I am rather new to this, so please be patient with me. I am looking for a pattern of a free standing Christmas tree, approx. 10" tall, made from seed beads. Can anyone help me?

Milo: - 203.4.79.11 - Tuesday, January 19, 1999 at 16:01:38 (EST)
Thanks Susie, will print and keep with my info. I am trying to get my act together re trying just straight propolene from a larger bottle but am having trouble with adaptors etc., my problem is the hot head has to be reduced to fit our gas bottles etc and at first they put a regulator on the bottle but this did not work, no gas to the torch head and I have now to get a high pressure hose, you might just hear the explosion from the US, whether from frustration or otherwise. I guess the next step will be to get an oxygen cylindar and another torch head, probably should have done this in the first place. Thanks again for your help. Paul if you are still casting your eyes over this lot have fun in the Bombay markets and see if you can find out why they smash light bulbs for a living, is it for the glass or something else of value in the metal part. Milo

jeff: - usr-401-1-225.isd.net - Saturday, January 16, 1999 at 20:06:34 (EST)
jeff's e-mail is nivek@isd.net

jeff: - usr-401-1-225.isd.net - Saturday, January 16, 1999 at 20:05:32 (EST)
need as much informations on trade beads as possible, including
dates, country of origin, etc. also need info on beads used in
american trade. thanx

Judy: - dd39-131.dub.compuserve.com - Saturday, January 16, 1999 at 07:52:20 (EST)
Have ordered from Arrow Springs, very satisfied with price and quality. There large multi grouping of colored rods is a good investment for the $$ Some really great color. I use it for demos at my shows (outdoor).

Susie: - spider-wn031.proxy.aol.com - Friday, January 15, 1999 at 18:47:28 (EST)
Lissa & Milo & anyone else interested:

Wale Apparatus co. inc.
400 Front street
P.O. box D
Hellertown Pa 18055
They are very good on tools, gadgets, kilns...hardware, I've never gotten glass from them.
They are a tool making business, not bead makers.

Frantz Bead co.
E. 1222 Sunset Hill Rd.
Shelton Wa 98584
(800) 839-6712
I know they have a web-page, but I'm not sure of it's address. You can email the owner, Mike, at MFrantz@aol.com

These folks are bead makers. Mike'll talk your ear off especially if you ask intellegent questions. He (in my opinion) sounds like he's drunk sometimes, but I'm guessing it's a speech impediment-don't let it put you off!

Arrow Springs
4570 Tennessee Dr.
Shingle Springs CA 95682
(916) 677-9482
web: www.innercite.com/~flameon/
email: flameon@innercite.com

Beadmakers as well. Good people to know (I met them through the Society of Glass Beadmakers (sgb-a great place for info!) No tax charged for out-of-state purchases.

Those three are my favorites, so far...I might be able to dig up some more if y'all want.
I also want to reccomend the SGB for anyone who makes. Their newsletter is often worth the $35 it costs to become a member. The Gathering is their annual get together-I spent most of my savings to go there last year, and I'll borrow if need be to go this year. You'll never learn more from people who travel from around the world! It's like a home you never knew you had!

Let me know what luck you have from the suppliers! I think they will send catalogs for free (I don't know about free all the way to Australia, Milo, but you can ask!)
Tree: Pete is really the expert, but if you want to email me, I'll answer what questions I can & suggest books & stuff.
~Susie

Pete: - acc-6.northnet.org - Friday, January 15, 1999 at 17:31:38 (EST)
Lissa - Yes, it is. Thanks.
Everyone -- I leave in a few hours for four months in Sri Lanka and India. I can hardly wait to get away from the snow of the Adirondacks to the heat of the tropics. I shall still be in touch. We're all connceted now.
~ Peace

strawberryinferno: - proxy.esu1.k12.ne.us - Friday, January 15, 1999 at 10:16:20 (EST)
tree what's up?

Lissa: - ip-21-078.phx.primenet.com - Friday, January 15, 1999 at 10:08:42 (EST)
Pete: Is it this weekend you leave for your trip? Have a wonderful time! I'll still be hanging around here while you're gone.

Pete: - acc-31.northnet.org - Thursday, January 14, 1999 at 22:37:52 (EST)
Dear Eduardo -- Yes, P does stand for peso in this case, I am in email contact with him now. Thanks for the information.
Dear Tree -- Yes, we know a lot about Venetian beads around here. What exactly do you need? You may ask me questions in this chat line or email me directly through the front page of thebeadsite.com
~ Peace

Lissa: - ip-20-132.phx.primenet.com - Thursday, January 14, 1999 at 18:37:54 (EST)
Tree: You are in the right place. Do you have any questions in particular?

tree: - 132.198.170.237 - Thursday, January 14, 1999 at 17:20:50 (EST)
is anyone here

tree: - 132.198.170.237 - Thursday, January 14, 1999 at 17:19:54 (EST)
I'm working on a research paper for class. I was hoping someone
would know something about venetian glass beads

Eduardo Cadavis: - metatron.mozcom.com - Thursday, January 14, 1999 at 00:07:22 (EST)
Pete - I think P stands for PESO but it differs in rate according to the country you are in. If Philippine peso it is about P36 per US dollar.

Pete: - acc-31.northnet.org - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 21:47:48 (EST)
Milo -- I don't think they have a web site. I'll try to get their address for you, but not now. It is too late at night. Too bad about your other order. Hope you get your fuel situation right. Maybe someone can help? Do you know how to test for compatability? I'd do that first.
Richard - I answered by email earlier. Still don't know what the P stands for. There are programs that surf the net for such things. In the next day or two I'll have links to them on the Free Stuff page.
~ Peace

Milo: - 203.4.79.11 - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 21:36:36 (EST)
Hey Pete, what do you mean by "Whale Apparatus"? Is it another supplier, it would not come up when I did a search. I am still waiting for my shipment from Frantz which I ordered on 17 December, they were supposed to send it airmail. Sort of negates the $55 I am paying for airmail if it is getting here at slow boat rate but that is what I get for living in the antipodes I guess. Still having trouble with gas but have spoken to a woman in Brisbane who uses just straight propolene and will perhaps give it a try. The small poly-propolene bottles freeze up after about eight beads and being a novice I am only getting about ten beads to the bottle but so far have tried using gold foil, putting dots on dots on dots etc. and trying to find the mysteries of how to make flowers etc. Can you tell me what happens if you add commercial type beads to the one you are making, is there a problem with compatability and is it likely to shatter later.

Richard L. Rowold: - 43.bridgeton-04.mo.dial-access.att.net - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 21:08:22 (EST)
I am looking for a good web designer who will reasonabily inexpensively. Who would like to design three page web sites for P800 and ten pages for P2,000? This will be an ongoing steady income for a good designer. Also I need web masters who can continuely surf the net to find errors in client's web pages so that we can fix them immediately. If you are interested please e-mail me at rrowold@hotmail.com.

RL Rowold

Richard L. Rowold: - 43.bridgeton-04.mo.dial-access.att.net - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 21:07:36 (EST)
I am looking for a good web designer who will reasonabily inexpensively. Who would like to design three page web sites for P800 and ten pages for P2,000? This will be an ongoing steady income for a good designer. Also I need web masters who can continuely surf the net to find errors in client's web pages so that we can fix them immediately. If you are interested please e-mail me at rrowold@hotmail.com.

RL Rowold

Richard L. Rowold: - 43.bridgeton-04.mo.dial-access.att.net - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 20:58:13 (EST)
Hey, is there anyone out in Chatsville today?

Pete: - acc-23.northnet.org - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 20:57:16 (EST)
Lissa -- Well you did a good job. Do you know Whale Apparatus for equipment, etc.?
~ Peace

Lissa: - ip-20-057.phx.primenet.com - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 10:11:43 (EST)
Jessica: Thank you. And, check out http://www.spiritone.com/~pmead/ for some instructions on making those beadie buddies. That is the critters out of pony beads, right? I got my kids a couple of kits from Joann Etc at Christmas time--you might want to check your local craft store. But the page I mentioned has patterns as well.

Lissa: - ip-20-057.phx.primenet.com - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 10:07:04 (EST)
My policy is usually to ignore that sort of posting, on the theory that no response is more likely to make them get bored and go away. But...he mentioned me by name, and I was in just enough of a mood that squishing him seemed like a good idea. :) I think it was the mis-spelling that did it. If you are going to proposition a lady, at *least* get her name right! (Lissa is actually short for Melissa.)
On another note, I really was playing with hot glass. My folks got me a bead making kit (hot head torch, etc) for Christmas, and I have been having loads of fun. I've got Arrow Spring's catalog for materials--is there another catalog I should consider as well? I'm in the Phoenix area, and haven't found any local suppliers yet.

me: - qt-ce.singnet.com.sg - Monday, January 11, 1999 at 04:00:42 (EST)
can someone chat with me?

Pete: - acc-16.northnet.org - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 22:05:35 (EST)
Susie and Lissa and Everyone,
People who want to sex-chat apparently go to any chat room they can find. We have had our share. I want to thank Lissa for her quick comeback. There will be others, I am afraid. I usually tell them to leave us alone or I will contact their ISP. We don't get repeats. Idid it for this guy before Lissa's clever reply. I had written it, but somehow it didn't get posted.
~ Peace

Susie: - spider-we034.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, January 10, 1999 at 10:57:37 (EST)
Definitely! More beads is the answer to almost any question! Get/make some nice big trade beads!! use beads that cracked in half as cabuchons! You GO girl!
Lisa, thanks for the comment about off-color comments, I like to think this is a page for serious beaders looking for more of the same, not searching for an easy date. I agree!

Pete: - acc-20.northnet.org - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 22:05:18 (EST)
For the empty space on the cast the answer is simple. You need more beads.
~ Peace

: - spider-wb071.proxy.aol.com - Saturday, January 09, 1999 at 18:20:47 (EST)
thanks everyone about the bead asvice. I have tacky glued soome loose beads on and also made a apiral out of strung beads. Still a lot of empty space though

Jay-z and ice t: - max1-218.toolcity.net - Friday, January 08, 1999 at 22:38:48 (EST)
Hello is anybody out there

Jessica Barr: - 1cust211.tnt27.det3.da.uu.net - Friday, January 08, 1999 at 20:44:44 (EST)
I like your name Lissa.

Jessica Barr: - 1cust211.tnt27.det3.da.uu.net - Friday, January 08, 1999 at 20:41:50 (EST)
how do you get into beady buddies?

Lissa: - ip-20-152.phx.primenet.com - Thursday, January 07, 1999 at 00:50:09 (EST)
Jack: You can have the siamese--he is outside yowling to get back in the house. As for the beads--I'm playing with molten glass right now. The pants is *not* where you want that! Trust me. Perhaps you should look for company somewhere more suited to your interests? Where they don't mind off-topic and crude propositions from someone who can't be troubled to spell names correctly?

Jack Meoff: - proxy1.uw-mad.wiscnet.net - Wednesday, January 06, 1999 at 12:58:40 (EST)
I have beads in my pants.

Jack Meoff: - proxy1.uw-mad.wiscnet.net - Wednesday, January 06, 1999 at 12:55:55 (EST)
Hay baby don't be shy talk to papa!!! Iwant u lisa i want your pussie

Jack Meoff: - proxy1.uw-mad.wiscnet.net - Wednesday, January 06, 1999 at 12:53:47 (EST)
I wonderd if theirs any chicks out their that want to do it all night long m-fucker!!1

Susie: - spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com - Tuesday, January 05, 1999 at 13:41:15 (EST)
Trilana--I've been in a cast for almost 3 weeks! I had foot surgery, but I get it off on Friday!!! I never thought of decorating it! I've got a couple of suggestions: One method of attack if you want to use large beads would be to put them on a short piece of stout string knotted at one end and then hot glue gun the other end of the string to your cast. That way you can have the beads back when the cast is gone & it makes it kind of a kinetic sculpture, to boot! Try it with a couple of "trash" beads that you don't mind losing first to make sure it will work! The other suggestion is to use a bead loom & weave a piece to go all the way around. You could sew the ends together to hold it on, or glue it to a piece of leather or cloth and tie it on. Those are my best brain storms!

PS- use the end of a chopstick (a blunt one, not the pointy kind) to scratch itches inside the cast. People told me to use a hanger, but I think that's too sharp an edge! good Luck

Pete: - acc-33.northnet.org - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 19:58:30 (EST)
Triulana -- I guess it depends if you want to have the beads loose after you remove the cast. Send me a picture when you have it ready and I'll post it. Can anyone help with this one?
Lissa -- Thanks for the complement. It is long out of print, so I am revising it through our newsletter, the Margaretologist. Part one on Venetian history is current. Part 2, detailing and dating Venetian beads comes out in a few months. Have fun making beads.
~ Peace

Trilana117: - spider-wa033.proxy.aol.com - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 19:21:13 (EST)
hi, i just broke my wrist and i was going to decorate my cast with beads and stuff. What would be the best adhesive. I was thinking probably crazy glue or tacky glllue (it is a fiber glass cast)

Lissa: - ip-21-158.phx.primenet.com - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 10:13:25 (EST)
Hi Susie: I'm one of the SCA people Pete is talking about. Go ahead and drag your friend on here--I'd love to talk to her. Pete: I just found your booklet "The Glass Trade Beads of Europe" last week while I was out bead shopping, and have been drooling over it since. Nice work!! My folks gave me a beadmaking kit (hothead torch, glass rods, etc) for Christmas, so the info on the start of lampwork was especially appreciated.

Pete: - acc-4.northnet.org - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 02:12:00 (EST)
Susie -- See, I forgot something, too. We have a lot of Creative Anachonism people (if that's your group) visiting us.
~ Peace

Pete: - acc-4.northnet.org - Monday, January 04, 1999 at 02:10:24 (EST)
Dear Susie - I hope you becoem a regular. you have lots to say. Take a look aound the beadsite.com, too. Thanks on behalf of everyone you answered. Milo lives in Australia.
~ Peace

Susie: - spider-te062.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, January 03, 1999 at 15:12:44 (EST)
By the way, I really like Cindy Jenkis' last book for ideas, but _I_ think the best book to get first is by James Kervin ' More than you ever wanted to know about glass beadmaking' (or something very similar to that title!) this book is a MUST read. I thought I knew a lot about the chemical & equipment end, but I learned a lot. It includes everything from "this is glass" to "basic techniques of flameworking beads" to "this is what the regulators on your tanks do & how they do it". It sure gave me more insight on safety and the basic mechanics of molten glass! OK ad over-we now return you to your regularly scheduled program.

Susie: - spider-te062.proxy.aol.com - Sunday, January 03, 1999 at 15:04:10 (EST)
Hey folks! 'Sup in the world of beadmakers, etc.? I'm new on the chat line & would love to talk to more folks about BEADS (my family doesn't really get the fasination & sometimes I just need to know I'm not alone!!!)
Just reading back a little.....Lissa & Victoria-on your request for documentation of loomed bead work. I belong to a group that re-enacts life in the "middle ages" (pre-17th c.). I've got a friend who does a LOT of seed bead work & has been documenting it for a long time. I'll see if I can get her to log onto the chat line for you or ask her if I can give out her email address.
Milo: I don't know where you live, but here in the U.S. there are a lot of craft supply stores (Michael's is my favorite). Anyway, glass etching has become a big thing! I was able to find stuff called Armour Etch which is mostly hydroflouric acid. It works great for taking the shine off beads (I call it hazing). all you do is dab it on with a paper towel or brush, wait about 2 minutes then run it under the tap to wash off the acid creme. It says to use gloves, and I would if I were doing several at a time. I normally do about 2-3 at a time & don't wear gloves (shame on me, I know) and haven't had any problems. Hope it helps!!

Anyways, I've done seed bead work for almost 10 years, got into beadmaking (glass)about 5-6 years ago & have become completely hooked. I teach some, I sell some, I play a lot, I've got some weird sources (like the medieval group). If ya wanta talk, I'll try to log on every week (no promises, this is my 1st chat line! I hope I can find it on the computer next week!) or EMail me at SusGrscls@aol.com